Firenzina

on Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:16 pm by · on Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:16 pm by

@thorhammer wrote:

can we have a 32 bit version of the engine???

Yes!!! I released it today at http://dgusev.cs.edinboro.edu/GameDev/Chess/firenzina.html. The 32-bit binary archive can be downloaded directly from http://dgusev.cs.edinboro.edu/GameDev/Chess/Firenzina_2-2-2_xTreme_x32.zip. It took a week of testing, yet please let me know if any problems surface, and I will address them as quickly as possible.

on Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:29 pm by · on Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:29 pm by

we, the enthusiasts, thank you for the 32 bit version of the engine!!!
this is a fabulous engine and
I am about to run the engine test of this 32 bit version

I'll run 1000 matches and if problems arise, I'll post it

and I'll post the test result soon!

on Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:50 pm by · on Thu Mar 14, 2013 6:50 pm by

http://dgusev.cs.edinboro.edu/GameDev/Chess/Firenzina_2-2-2_xTreme_x32.zip

the 32 bit version from this link doesn't work

that version looks like a 64 bit version...

on Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:58 pm by · on Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:58 pm by

@thorhammer wrote:http://dgusev.cs.edinboro.edu/GameDev/Chess/Firenzina_2-2-2_xTreme_x32.zip

the 32 bit version from this link doesn't work

that version looks like a 64 bit version...

thorhammer,

It looks like those executables were with hard popcnt. I ran them on my 32-bit Windows computer, but its does support popcnt. I had another set made, definitely no-popcnt, and now added to the same archive. Please try again! The link is the same, but the archive has three more compiles, hopefully you will be able to run at least one of those.

Best regards,
Yuri

on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:26 pm by · on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:26 pm by

appreciate so much!

but I can't run all of the 6 32-bit compiles...

on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:28 pm by · on Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:28 pm by

hi folks ... I wonder if there will be a copilation farenzina 2.2.2x64 with popcnt or SSE4.2 for AMD, ... precessadores amd we suffer with the lack of copilation. best

on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:49 pm by · on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:49 pm by

@thorhammer wrote:

appreciate so much!

but I can't run all of the 6 32-bit compiles...

Which ones can you run? Out of those, I'd select the one with the maximum features for testing.

on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:54 pm by · on Thu Mar 14, 2013 10:54 pm by

@mcdiniz wrote:hi folks ... I wonder if there will be a copilation farenzina 2.2.2x64 with popcnt or SSE4.2 for AMD, ... precessadores amd we suffer with the lack of copilation. best

Wikipedia tells me, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSE4 "SSE4 (Streaming SIMD Extensions 4) is a CPU instruction set used in the Intel Core microarchitecture and AMD K10 (K8L)."

I figure, yours is one of those AMDs. Won't it just run the existing sse4-2 Firenzina compile?

on Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:23 pm by · on Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:23 pm by

@Yuri Censor wrote:
@thorhammer wrote:

appreciate so much!

but I can't run all of the 6 32-bit compiles...

Which ones can you run? Out of those, I'd select the one with the maximum features for testing.

I tried all 6 compiles, but none of which works on my 32 bit computer with AMD CPU...

maybe the 32 bit computer needs another compile...

on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:02 am by · on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:02 am by

@thorhammer wrote:
@Yuri Censor wrote:
@thorhammer wrote:

appreciate so much!

but I can't run all of the 6 32-bit compiles...

Which ones can you run? Out of those, I'd select the one with the maximum features for testing.

I tried all 6 compiles, but none of which works on my 32 bit computer with AMD CPU...

maybe the 32 bit computer needs another compile...

I will look into it right away. I tested on a 32-bit triple-core AMD Phenom-X3 running Windows 7 Ultimate. I have an older 32-bit dual-core AMD AthlonX2 running Windows XP. I will try to use it.

on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:47 am by · on Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:47 am by

I appreciate a lot!

on Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:29 pm by · on Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:29 pm by

when the 32 bit version (for older CPUs) is available for us, I'll run the engine matches!

on Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:44 pm by · on Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:44 pm by

@thorhammer wrote:when the 32 bit version (for older CPUs) is available for us, I'll run the engine matches!

thorhammer,
This one should work for you: http://dgusev.cs.edinboro.edu/GameDev/Chess/Firenzina_2-2-2_xTreme_generic_x32.zip. I tested it on my 2007 32-bit dual-core AMD Athlon-X2 running Windows XP SP 3, and it works there. Enjoy!
I have also re-tested the previous 32-bit compiles, and all 6 of them still work okay on my 32-bit three-core AMD Phenom-X3 running Windows 7 Ultimate.
Best regards,
Yuri

on Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:28 am by · on Sun Mar 17, 2013 2:28 am by

@Yuri Censor wrote:
@thorhammer wrote:when the 32 bit version (for older CPUs) is available for us, I'll run the engine matches!

thorhammer,
This one should work for you: http://dgusev.cs.edinboro.edu/GameDev/Chess/Firenzina_2-2-2_xTreme_generic_x32.zip. I tested it on my 2007 32-bit dual-core AMD Athlon-X2 running Windows XP SP 3, and it works there. Enjoy!
I have also re-tested the previous 32-bit compiles, and all 6 of them still work okay on my 32-bit three-core AMD Phenom-X3 running Windows 7 Ultimate.
Best regards,
Yuri

yes!
this generic version works!
thank you very much
and the 1000 matches between houdini and this version are started!
best regards

on Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:15 am by · on Sun Mar 17, 2013 3:15 am by

@thorhammer wrote:
@Yuri Censor wrote:
@thorhammer wrote:when the 32 bit version (for older CPUs) is available for us, I'll run the engine matches!

thorhammer,
This one should work for you: http://dgusev.cs.edinboro.edu/GameDev/Chess/Firenzina_2-2-2_xTreme_generic_x32.zip. I tested it on my 2007 32-bit dual-core AMD Athlon-X2 running Windows XP SP 3, and it works there. Enjoy!
I have also re-tested the previous 32-bit compiles, and all 6 of them still work okay on my 32-bit three-core AMD Phenom-X3 running Windows 7 Ultimate.
Best regards,
Yuri

yes!
this generic version works!
thank you very much
and the 1000 matches between houdini and this version are started!
best regards

Thanks! I don't even have Houdini 3, assuming that this is the one that you're running. (I have Houdini 2 and the free Houdini 1.5.) Given that even the stronger Firenzina compiles are only somewhere near Stockfish (on this or that side of it), I safely predict that Houdini will destroy the generic compile with ease. Still, it's good to learn the margin. Houdini is a major breakthrough, but it may be depressing open-source development at present.

on Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:19 am by · on Sun Mar 17, 2013 6:19 am by

the 1000 matches between

Houdini 3 Pro w32
Firenzina 2.2.2

are finished!!!

the initial test result is not accurate

the final test result after 1000 matches is good and
I'll post the result!!!

on Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:29 am by · on Mon Mar 18, 2013 1:29 am by

@thorhammer wrote:the 1000 matches between

Houdini 3 Pro w32
Firenzina 2.2.2

are finished!!!

the initial test result is not accurate

the final test result after 1000 matches is good and
I'll post the result!!!

what time control are you using?

on Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:58 am by · on Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:58 am by

the time control is blitz

and the 1000 matches are done on many computers
in order to finish the 1000 matches fast

Last edited by thorhammer on Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:09 am; edited 1 time in total

on Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:58 am by · on Mon Mar 18, 2013 2:58 am by

http://www.chess2u.com/t6930p15-100-of-world-s-best-engines-matches-100-best-engines

the test result is here!!!

on Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:43 am by · on Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:43 am by

@thorhammer wrote:

http://www.chess2u.com/t6930p15-100-of-world-s-best-engines-matches-100-best-engines

the test result is here!!!

Thank you very much, thorhammer! This is a very good result for the plain vanilla compile. Its performance is comparable to a number of earlier Fire "Traps". In Firenzina, no attempt has been made to improve performance for the 32-bit platform as far as the code was concerned. And the compile tested here could not benefit from modern compiler optimizations, either. The goal at this stage of the project was to establish a baseline, find out where the product can be placed BEFORE any substantial changes are made to its code base. Your test helped!
Best regards,
Yuri

on Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:53 am by · on Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:53 am by

I think fire and firebird have been two of the most favorite engines among so many people
and this Firenzina 32 bit version is a fascinating engine!!!
many fire enthusiasts will be delighted!!! smile

on Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:30 am by · on Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:30 am by

@thorhammer wrote:I think fire and firebird have been two of the most favorite engines among so many people
and this Firenzina 32 bit version is a fascinating engine!!!
many fire enthusiasts will be delighted!!!

thorhammer,
Thank you for the good words! Even though I learned that Norman Schmidt definitely had his reasons to stop open-source development of Fire, that doesn't mean that the Fire lineage has to die. I hope to show that an open-source project THAT good can become undead evil

and then alive think

. Now I am cautiously optimistic.

on Wed May 29, 2013 9:27 pm by · on Wed May 29, 2013 9:27 pm by

@Yuri Censor wrote:
@thorhammer wrote:I think fire and firebird have been two of the most favorite engines among so many people
and this Firenzina 32 bit version is a fascinating engine!!!
many fire enthusiasts will be delighted!!!
thorhammer,
Thank you for the good words! Even though I learned that Norman Schmidt definitely had his reasons to stop open-source development of Fire, that doesn't mean that the Fire lineage has to die. I hope to show that an open-source project THAT good can become undead and then alive . Now I am cautiously optimistic.

Sources of Firenzina 2.3.1 xTreme, a clone of Fire, are now available at the Firenzina GitHub. Several Windows compiles have been uploaded to Firenzina's home at Wikispaces. This version is Linux-compatible, but "factory" Linux compiles are yet to come.

on Thu May 30, 2013 12:48 am by · on Thu May 30, 2013 12:48 am by

Can someone make a compile of it? Windows 7 64-bit.

on Thu May 30, 2013 3:49 am by · on Thu May 30, 2013 3:49 am by

@Vladimir wrote:Can someone make a compile of it? Windows 7 64-bit.

Assuming your computer is AMD, try Velmarin's compile, otherwise (Intel) at least one of mine will run.

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