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Score of cfish vs Stockfish_Polyglot_14_x64: 12 - 12 - 76 [0.500]
... cfish playing White: 9 - 4 - 37 [0.550] 50
... cfish playing Black: 3 - 8 - 39 [0.450] 50
... White vs Black: 17 - 7 - 76 [0.550] 100
Elo difference: 0.0 +/- 33.4, LOS: 50.0 %, DrawRatio: 76.0 %
100 of 100 games finished.


Even Cfish that has a very old net and didn't have an update in 3 months can draw against sf polyglot 14...

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Your table is completely wrong:

In the first result I read 9 wins for White, 4 draws and 37 wins for Black.

In the second one I read 3 wins for White, 8 draws and 39 wins for Black.

In the third one I read 17 wins for White, 7 draws and 76 wins for Black.....

The correct syntax is [Games won by White] [Draws] [Games won by Black] [Other parameters].


I made Stockfish Polyglot 14 at early August, it's feasible that those two programs have a similar NNUE network.

And, guess what, the engines tournament I ended today has Honey as winner and this engine came out in July. In this tournament the latest Stockfish beta played.

Where are the games of your tournament?....

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@jorge91 wrote:
Your table is completely wrong:

In the first result I read 9 wins for White, 4 draws and 37 wins for Black.

In the second one I read 3 wins for White, 8 draws and 39 wins for Black.

In the third one I read 17 wins for White, 7 draws and 76 wins for Black.....

The correct syntax is [Games won by White] [Draws] [Games won by Black] [Other parameters].


I made Stockfish Polyglot 14 at early August, it's feasible that those two programs have a similar NNUE network.

And, guess what, the engines tournament I ended today has Honey as winner and this engine came out in July. In this tournament the latest Stockfish beta played.

Where are the games of your tournament?....


I'm using cutechess gui for those tournaments. And It's W/L/D not W/D/L so your readings are wrong chief
Cfish won 9 with white and lost 4, 37 draws
Cfish won 3 with black and lost 8 games, 39 draws
The third line shows how many games with white were won in total for both engines.
So the final score was 12(cfish wins)-12(sf14 poly wins)-76(draws) ;)

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@jorge91 wrote:
Your table is completely wrong:

it's feasible that those two programs have a similar NNUE network.



Cfish is using nn-62ef826d1a6d.nnue which is a very old net from 20-11-28

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Time to update the network.

@zoicado wrote:
@jorge91 wrote:
Your table is completely wrong:

it's feasible that those two programs have a similar NNUE network.



Cfish is using nn-62ef826d1a6d.nnue which is a very old net from 20-11-28

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Stockfish Polyglot has been upgraded to 14 for free users (essential binaries only) and to 241021 for customers, members and subscribers:

https://chess.massimilianogoi.com/download/stockfish/

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how to download it?
when I touch Android,
it's stockfish13.
thank you.

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Thanks for reporting, fixed.

@mibaskom wrote:
how to download it?
when I touch Android,
it's stockfish13.
thank you.

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Thanks my chess-friend.

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@jorge91 wrote:
Stockfish Polyglot has been upgraded to 14 for free users (essential binaries only) and to 241021 for customers, members and subscribers:

https://chess.massimilianogoi.com/download/stockfish/


https://www.dropbox.com/s/mdftl0bfpuc7z9q/SF-D%20vs%20SF-P_30-game.zip?dl=0

Stockfish Polyglot disappoints me, it got crushed by Stockfish Development build 21102312 with nn-13406b1dcbe0.nnue.

I oso attached the hypermodern testing suite for those who r keen to learn abt hypermodern openings.

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No clone will EVER be stronger than the original.

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But it’s not true all the time. For example Igel is a chess engine forked from Greco engine in 2018. Now in Ccrl 40/15
Igel is rank 8 and greko is rank 122.

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You're absolutely right: Igel 3.0.5 is incomparably stronger than Greko 2021.10
But Igel doesn't have much to do with GreKo anymore.
While stockfish clones use the same NNUE evaluation files without any problems.

I should have written: No stockfish clone will EVER be stronger than the original.

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@Bourbaki wrote:
No clone will EVER be stronger than the original.


Not entirely true.. Pit Redfish agst Stockfish 14 or Stockfish Dev.. U will see..

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Redfish is actually (along with FatTitz 1.1) the strongest of the 53 Stockfih clones I own.
I will organize several tournaments with Arena 3.5.1 to test these two programs.

System: Windows 10 Home 64 bit
CPU : 6-Cores ; Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H @ 2.60GHz 15,9 GB
GPU : NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6GB

Ponder off, book off
openings are from draws between TCEC superfinal seasons 20-21 (up to 8moves),
3-4-5-6 piece Syzygy TB
each game repeated with colors reversed

version Stockfish : stockfish_21102422_x64_bmi2.exe 24/10/2021 22:35
version Redfish : Rfish-bmi2.exe 22/09/2021 12:47

matchs : 10 games
levels : Bullet 1+1 ; Blitz 2+1 ; 3+2 ; 5+3

I will share the results with you.

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game 1 : Bullet 1+1

Module Score St Re S-B
1 : Stockfish.. 5.0/10 ..................... =01======= 25.00
2 : Redfish..... 5.0/10 =10======= ..................... 25.00


pgn file : https://pixeldrain.com/u/cjSsPWQr

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@Bourbaki wrote:
You're absolutely right: Igel 3.0.5 is incomparably stronger than Greko 2021.10
But Igel doesn't have much to do with GreKo anymore.
While stockfish clones use the same NNUE evaluation files without any problems.

I should have written: No stockfish clone will EVER be stronger than the original.


I tried to show you that nothing is 100/0 in this world with a simple example but I feel disappointed to some extent because I see you continue your routine to express your considered opinion. All of us remember that sometimes some stockfish clones like asmfish,eman, cichess ,Cfish,... were stronger than stockfish at the same time even for a short period of time. Maybe even tomorrow morning when you check the chess sites you see a new clone or even a new update of existing clones which is stronger than the stockfish itself. Let all of us use the words like ever,every,never,...fewer in our opinions,because nothing is 100/0 in this world.

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game 2 : Blitz 2+1


1 : Stockfish.. 5.5/10 ..................... ====1=10==
2 : Redfish..... 4.5/10 ====0=01== .....................

pgn file : https://pixeldrain.com/u/rfUaLwam

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dear Bourbaki-san,
can you tell mi, the details setting;
is this "no book"?
did you use "no nnue"?
how much games you played?
(only one game?)
how much time control you use?
(only a few time control?)
please consider white and black , you knows what mi means.
due to mi doesn't knows about
the programming, it's up to you,
you are more advance.

thank you,
best regards,
mi.

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don't forget, to repost the result.

thank you in advance.
mi.

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dear Bourbaki-san,
once more,
please use all kinds opening,
thanks, mi's waiting.

best regards,
mi.

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The version 14 is obsolete, it has plus minus the strength if Stockfish 14. The 241021 versions is stronger.

@Triton6654 wrote:
@jorge91 wrote:
Stockfish Polyglot has been upgraded to 14 for free users (essential binaries only) and to 241021 for customers, members and subscribers:

https://chess.massimilianogoi.com/download/stockfish/


https://www.dropbox.com/s/mdftl0bfpuc7z9q/SF-D%20vs%20SF-P_30-game.zip?dl=0

Stockfish Polyglot disappoints me, it got crushed by Stockfish Development build 21102312 with nn-13406b1dcbe0.nnue.

I oso attached the hypermodern testing suite for those who r keen to learn abt hypermodern openings.

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Cfish at its times was stronger than Stockfish.

@Bourbaki wrote:
You're absolutely right: Igel 3.0.5 is incomparably stronger than Greko 2021.10
But Igel doesn't have much to do with GreKo anymore.
While stockfish clones use the same NNUE evaluation files without any problems.

I should have written: No stockfish clone will EVER be stronger than the original.

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game 3 : Blitz 3+2


1 : Redfish..... 5.5/10 ..................... =101======
2 : Stockfish.. 4.5/10 =010====== .....................

pgn file : https://pixeldrain.com/u/AzrApRiu


game 4 : Blitz 5+3


1 : Stockfish.. 5.0/10 ..................... ==========
2 : Redfish..... 4.0/10 ========== .....................

pgn file : https://pixeldrain.com/u/q3KYq11W


I will probably have to test matches on longer times like 15+5 and 30+10 or even in long games.
Never say never. All children know this.

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This is a thread about Stockfish Polyglot, don't spam here with your personal challenges.

@Bourbaki wrote:
game 2 : Blitz 2+1


1 : Stockfish.. 5.5/10 ..................... ====1=10==
2 : Redfish..... 4.5/10 ====0=01== .....................

pgn file : https://pixeldrain.com/u/rfUaLwam

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