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The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets

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roraima wrote:
deeds wrote:
So you will waste weeks. We already know syzygy help, mcts is weaker, q-learning (learn from game's result) is the slowest learning setting, to mix different scores in an experience file alters the data (q-learning's scores are very different as default's scores, scores with syzygy or not, moves from mcts or ab, scores from nnue or classical).


First of all, I do the test for enjoyment.

Second, there are so many Clones and I want to test if those "modified" Stockfish are more performance than the current Stockfish in the DEV branch.

Third, I am not mixing experience files: Each configuration has a separate experience file when enabled.

Forth, ff a modified Stockfish version has added some "functionalities" should be for some reason but I do not see where those specific configurations were tested for ProteusChessSF-JBEv007-20220416.

I do not take your comment badly but where the reference data is to base your affirmation so I can save "wasted weeks".

Thank you.


Thank you roraima for these extensive tests on ProteusSF, for me yours isn't a waste of time (I'm sorry for the rude beaviour of this guy that thinks to be Turing or Napoleon King of strategy  lol  while and all others are idiots. He is on my ignore list but unfortunately I cannot skip his quoted comments  rolleyes )

I'm more than happy that  your results are absolutely not bad. There are a lot of variables to consider, almost impossible to follow a scientific method, especially for me that I have a Mac Mini M1, Windows ARM64 running on it via Parallels and 2 old bananas Android smartphones (curved due to the pressure of the hot batteries using 8 CPUs 24/24 h lol ....I cannot symply buy a Ryzen 9 5850 now)

005 & 006 are without learning, 007 is based on  BrainLearn 17 learning and 008 on Sugar 2.5.0 learning that is completely different.

I hope that you will continue to help me to test it, my mods were to make it more aggressive not arrogantly better than Stockfish, and finally Stockfish team in the last dev has admitted that this super strong engine (number 1 for me) is a little boring due to all these draws, trying to fix that ...them too  wink [/b] Don't ask him (already experienced a kind approach and he reacted strangely)
There are a lot of ultra skilled friends here that can help you to make your tests very reliable: Ron Doughie (Sarona), dorsz, Marco Zerbinati, Omar Khalid,  but don't give up! smile

Kind regards, Alex

Author: xoto10
Date: Sun May 15 20:20:37 2022 +0200
Timestamp: 1652638837

Tune scale and optimism.

Tune scale and optimism in effort to make stockfish play more aggressively.

STC @ 10+0.1 th 1:
LLR: 2.94 (-2.94,2.94) <0.00,2.50>
Total: 27896 W: 7506 L: 7248 D: 13142 Elo +3.21
Ptnml(0-2): 103, 3047, 7388, 3309, 101
https://tests.stockfishchess.org/tests/live_elo/627fd0cfab44257388ab1f13

LTC @ 60+0.6 th 1:
LLR: 2.93 (-2.94,2.94) <0.50,3.00>
Total: 65576 W: 17512 L: 17178 D: 30886 Elo +1.77
Ptnml(0-2): 37, 6397, 19587, 6729, 38
https://tests.stockfishchess.org/tests/live_elo/627ff666ab44257388ab256d

closes https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish/pull/4025

Bench 6407734
see source

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roraima wrote:
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see source


English glitches: symply | and |were focused ...Very bad this forum that do not let to edit posts ! Sorry if you find others wink

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For not mixing apples with oranges against latest Stockfish-Dev, with Proteus RBE 008 you should test also Andrea Manzo's BrainLearn 17, Shashchess 22, Khalid Omar's Eman 7.93, and Marco Zerbinati's StockfishMZ 220517 and Sugar 2.5.0 clones all with Learning

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AlexChess wrote:
For not mixing apples with oranges  against latest Stockfish-Dev, with Proteus RBE 008 you should test also Andrea Manzo's BrainLearn 17, Shashchess 22, Khalid Omar's Eman 7.93, and Marco Zerbinati's  StockfishMZ 220517 and Sugar 2.5.0 clones all with Learning


Hello,

I will. But I will start when I finish all the Proteus. It takes some days to achieve 1000 games.

Regards.

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Please roraima use ProteusSF.exp and ProteusTournBook.bin (no bestmive and 100 moves depth) for next tests I'm really curious of your test with powerfull hardware and more games you play with different engines and books, more ProteusSF.exp will be improved (please share It at the end of tests) Thank you for all time spent with my clone that Will be very useful for my next version!)

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Could you write the settings of this tesr, please?

Such as processor, threads used, time per game.

deeds wrote:
Yes we have true trained engines :

Code:


   # PLAYER             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Eman experience    :     140     51    82.0     120  68.3   56   52   12  43.3       0     1
   2 Eman only          :      34     45    65.5     120  54.6   34   63   23  52.5       0     1
   3 stockfish 14.1     :       0   ----    92.5     240  38.5   35  115   90  47.9      87     2

White advantage = 71.97 +/- 16.61
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)     W     D     L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Eman experience                    :       0   ----  8655.0   16000  54.1  5764  5782  4454  36.1     -42     4
   2 ...
   3 brainlearn 16.1 nn-6877cd24400e    :     -41      9  1838.5    4000  46.0  1138  1401  1461  35.0       0     1
   4 ...
   5 stockfish 15.0                     :     -55      9  1782.0    4000  44.5  1137  1290  1573  32.3       0     1

White advantage = -220.29 +/- 2.46
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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roraima wrote:
AlexChess wrote:
For not mixing apples with oranges  against latest Stockfish-Dev, with Proteus RBE 008 you should test also Andrea Manzo's BrainLearn 17, Shashchess 22, Khalid Omar's Eman 7.93, and Marco Zerbinati's  StockfishMZ 220517 and Sugar 2.5.0 clones all with Learning


Hello,

I will. But I will start when I finish all the Proteus. It takes some days to achieve 1000 games.

Regards.


Dear roarma,

There is a new ProteusSF RBE 008a based on Stockfish 220521 (same download links)

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jorge91 wrote:
Could you write the settings of this tesr, please?

Such as processor, threads used, time per game.

deeds wrote:
Yes we have true trained engines :

Code:


   # PLAYER             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Eman experience    :     140     51    82.0     120  68.3   56   52   12  43.3       0     1
   2 Eman only          :      34     45    65.5     120  54.6   34   63   23  52.5       0     1
   3 stockfish 14.1     :       0   ----    92.5     240  38.5   35  115   90  47.9      87     2

White advantage = 71.97 +/- 16.61
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Code:


   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)     W     D     L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Eman experience                    :       0   ----  8655.0   16000  54.1  5764  5782  4454  36.1     -42     4
   2 ...
   3 brainlearn 16.1 nn-6877cd24400e    :     -41      9  1838.5    4000  46.0  1138  1401  1461  35.0       0     1
   4 ...
   5 stockfish 15.0                     :     -55      9  1782.0    4000  44.5  1137  1290  1573  32.3       0     1

White advantage = -220.29 +/- 2.46
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00




Dear jeorge, here is roarma hardware. Don't feed the troll deeds that puts his garbage everywhere.

Configuration
- OS: Windows 11 64Bits
- HW: i7-118G7 @ 3.00GHz, RAM: 32Gb

Tournament Manager: Arena 3.5.1

Engines Common
- Threads: 4
- Ponder Off
- Hash Table: 2048Mb
- Syzygy: All 3,4,5; Most 6 and some 7

Gaunlet 1 - Test 0

Conditions
- Time Setup: 60s+3s
- Initial Positions File: Compendium of different epd files (lucasart_opening-book-positions.epd + 8moves_v3.epd + crafty_4000_openings_legacy + crafty_new_2500.epd)
The Epd file was analyzed using the last available Stockfish DEV at 25plies, then filtered in the range [-0.50,0.50] cps

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Eman is (supposed) to be a private non GPLv3 comliant engine so sharing deeds data is useless for all of us. Here roarma was showing his data!

If we continue to reply to deads, he will never return in is cage

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deeds wrote:
deeds wrote:

Code:


   # PLAYER             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Eman experience    :     140     51    82.0     120  68.3   56   52   12  43.3       0     1
   2 Eman only          :      34     45    65.5     120  54.6   34   63   23  52.5       0     1
   3 stockfish 14.1     :       0   ----    92.5     240  38.5   35  115   90  47.9      87     2

White advantage = 71.97 +/- 16.61
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00


E5-1650v4, threads 11, hash 1024 MB, tc 1m+1s, EXP 180 MB (4 learning sessions)

deeds wrote:

Code:


   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)     W     D     L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Eman experience                    :       0   ----  8655.0   16000  54.1  5764  5782  4454  36.1     -42     4
   2 ...
   3 brainlearn 16.1 nn-6877cd24400e    :     -41      9  1838.5    4000  46.0  1138  1401  1461  35.0       0     1
   4 ...
   5 stockfish 15.0                     :     -55      9  1782.0    4000  44.5  1137  1290  1573  32.3       0     1

White advantage = -220.29 +/- 2.46
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00


E3-1275v2, threads 7, 1m+1s, hash 512 MB, no experience data from scratch for each new opening (from the 5th learning session)


Please, can you stop flooding this thread with your results? Open your own message threads to expose yours. Thank you.

It creates a lot of noise and confusion.

I am forced to quote so it does not help either with the Forum interface.

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The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets - Combined Opening Tests


Configuration
- OS: Windows 11 64Bits
- HW: i7-118G7 @ 3.00GHz, RAM: 32Gb

Tournament Manager: Arena 3.5.1

Engines Common
- Threads: 1
- Ponder Off
- Hash Table: 2048Mb
- Syzygy: All 3,4,5; Most 6 and some 7

Conditions
- Time Setup: 1m+2s

Last Results

The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets - Page 2 Table10

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The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets - Combined Opening Tests


Configuration
- OS: Windows 11 64Bits
- HW: i7-118G7 @ 3.00GHz, RAM: 32Gb

Tournament Manager: Arena 3.5.1

Engines Common
- Threads: 1
- Ponder Off
- Hash Table: 2048Mb
- Syzygy: All 3,4,5; Most 6 and some 7

Conditions
- Time Setup: 1m+2s

Last Results

(Engines coloured yellow are the ongoing gaunlets)
The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets - Page 2 Table11

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The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets - Combined Opening Tests


Configuration
- OS: Windows 11 64Bits
- HW: i7-118G7 @ 3.00GHz, RAM: 32Gb

Tournament Manager: Arena 3.5.1

Engines Common
- Threads: 1
- Ponder Off
- Hash Table: 2048Mb
- Syzygy: All 3,4,5; Most 6 and some 7

Conditions
- Time Setup: 1m+2s

Last Results

(Engines coloured yellow are the ongoing gaunlets)
The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets - Page 2 Mi9yPHK

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deeds wrote:
You don't need help to create confusions here lol


I do not understand your continuous trolling and rude fashion in interacting with people. It shows the lack of social skills.

I do not know if this Forum is ever moderated.

Thank you for continuing to flood with no value (Good luck).


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The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets - Combined Opening Tests


Configuration
- OS: Windows 11 64Bits
- HW: i7-118G7 @ 3.00GHz, RAM: 32Gb

Tournament Manager: Arena 3.5.1

Engines Common
- Threads: 1
- Ponder Off
- Hash Table: 2048Mb
- Syzygy: All 3,4,5; Most 6 and some 7

Conditions
- Time Setup: 1m+2s

Last Results

(Engines coloured yellow are the ongoing gaunlets)
The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets - Page 2 Mi9yPHK

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roraima wrote:
deeds wrote:
You don't need help to create confusions here lol


I do not understand your continuous trolling and rude fashion in interacting with people. It shows the lack of social skills.

I do not know if this Forum is ever moderated.

Thank you for continuing to flood with no value (Good luck).




Don't feed the troll. It comes from Outskirts, it is a friend of ChessFart1 and they are here only to completely destroy this unmoderated forum lol

instead, I'm very interested to your independent tests!  There is also Proteus RBE 008a kindly updated by Marco Zerbinati to the last Stockfish-dev + Learning, including even Proteus Tools! https://banksiagui.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=132#p132

You are welcome in BanksiaGui forum even if my results are bad smile

my tests on Mac M1 6 Mn/s  3 mins + 2 secs /all , including 008a aren't bad! ...And I think that with Eduard's Predator 2.2 or Kayra 1.1 bin books it could be much stronger. Kayra 1.3 with this book is still super strong (congratulations to my friend Mehmet  smile ). Tournament in progress...


Kind regards, Alex

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The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets - Combined Opening Tests


Configuration
- OS: Windows 11 64Bits
- HW: i7-118G7 @ 3.00GHz, RAM: 32Gb

Tournament Manager: Arena 3.5.1

Engines Common
- Threads: 1
- Ponder Off
- Hash Table: 2048Mb
- Syzygy: All 3,4,5; Most 6 and some 7

Conditions
- Time Setup: 1m+2sc]

Last Results

(Engines coloured yellow are the ongoing gauntlets)

The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets - Page 2 Table12

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Thank you!

Finally we can edit our posts think

Kind regards, Alex
https://banksiagui.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=132#p132

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AlexChess wrote:
roraima wrote:
deeds wrote:
You don't need help to create confusions here lol


I do not understand your continuous trolling and rude fashion in interacting with people. It shows the lack of social skills.

I do not know if this Forum is ever moderated.

Thank you for continuing to flood with no value (Good luck).




Don't feed the troll. It comes from Outskirts, it is a friend of ChessFart1 and they are here only to completely destroy this unmoderated forum lol

@Morales Did you say something? Look at yourself first, baby troll, your garbage is everywhere. Your place is definitely only on facebook.

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I've a new fan from Russia! @igor 1959 that is interested on ProteusSF RBE 008a and kindly has send to me a giant exp file and a giant bin book to test with it, after that I have given him the links to download it from Russia taken from the wonderful and very useful @Anton101 Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Motores-de-ajedrez-AC-112015897649644

Android: https://pixeldrain.com/u/S7yAAAcG
Windows: https://pixeldrain.com/u/xa2VRPEn
Mac M1: https://pixeldrain.com/u/2ua3sA5y

Thank you dear friend, there are also a lot of skilled and kind people in Russia!

Regards, Alex

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roraima wrote:
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The Stockfish Clones War Gauntlets - Combined Opening Tests


Configuration
- OS: Windows 11 64Bits
- HW: i7-118G7 @ 3.00GHz, RAM: 32Gb

Tournament Manager: Arena 3.5.1

Engines Common
- Threads: 1
- Ponder Off
- Hash Table: 2048Mb
- Syzygy: All 3,4,5; Most 6 and some 7

Conditions
- Time Setup: 1m+2sc]


With TC 1min+2sec hash Table: 2048Mb is much too high...
512MB is enough.
Best wishes.

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