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Uly wrote:
Tired of having to run engine v engine games to get useful statistics? Don't care about the games and only want to know the draw percentages/black wins percentages and other statistics like the elo of the engines? Sad because you don't have some commercial engines and would like to know how would they score against the opposition? You just don't have the time to play lots of games?

The solution: YOU DON'T NEED TO PLAY CHESS GAMES AT ALL!

Franklin Titus (kingliveson) presents a new paradigm in chess rating lists that don't provide the games that produced their statistics, a script that generates game results just as if you built computers, invested money, chose openings, bought engines, installed them, fought with crashing engines, checked if they ran correctly, if they could ponder, used tbs and what kind of tbs, and spent hours and hours for all this.

Save all that and simulate the results of rating lists in record time! Instant results for the equivalent of games that would otherwise take 16 minutes to run each!

As a demonstration, see these results:

1 Houdini 2.0 STD : 2525 2100 (+1371,=594,-135), 79.4 %

Zappa Mexico II : 100 (+ 73,= 25,- 2), 85.5 %
Naum 4.2 : 100 (+ 56,= 36,- 8), 74.0 %
Loop 13.6/2007 : 100 (+ 79,= 19,- 2), 88.5 %
Deep Onno 1-2-70 : 100 (+ 67,= 30,- 3), 82.0 %
Deep Shredder 12 : 100 (+ 59,= 32,- 9), 75.0 %
Crafty 23.3 JA : 100 (+ 87,= 13,- 0), 93.5 %
Jonny 4.00 32b : 100 (+ 89,= 11,- 0), 94.5 %
Deep Sjeng c't 2010 32b : 100 (+ 70,= 26,- 4), 83.0 %
spark-1.0 SSE42 : 100 (+ 74,= 22,- 4), 85.0 %
HIARCS 13.2 MP 32b : 100 (+ 66,= 27,- 7), 79.5 %
Protector 1.4.0 x64 : 100 (+ 73,= 25,- 2), 85.5 %
Strelka 2.0 B : 100 (+ 85,= 15,- 0), 92.5 %
Spike 1.4 32b : 100 (+ 73,= 18,- 9), 82.0 %
Gull 1.2 : 100 (+ 71,= 27,- 2), 84.5 %
Deep Rybka 4.1 SSE42 : 100 (+ 26,= 56,- 18), 54.0 %
Deep Junior 12.5 : 100 (+ 71,= 22,- 7), 82.0 %
Stockfish 2.1.1 JA : 100 (+ 25,= 56,- 19), 53.0 %
Hannibal 1.1 : 100 (+ 73,= 25,- 2), 85.5 %
Umko 1.2 SSE42 : 100 (+ 92,= 7,- 1), 95.5 %
Critter 1.2 : 100 (+ 34,= 49,- 17), 58.5 %
Komodo64 3 SSE42 : 100 (+ 28,= 53,- 19), 54.5 %

Now, look at these:

1 Houdini 2.0 STD : 2533 2100 (+1455,=479,-166), 80.7 %

Zappa Mexico II : 100 (+ 82,= 14,- 4), 89.0 %
Naum 4.2 : 100 (+ 60,= 31,- 9), 75.5 %
Loop 13.6/2007 : 100 (+ 85,= 10,- 5), 90.0 %
Deep Onno 1-2-70 : 100 (+ 81,= 15,- 4), 88.5 %
Deep Shredder 12 : 100 (+ 61,= 27,- 12), 74.5 %
Crafty 23.3 JA : 100 (+ 89,= 11,- 0), 94.5 %
Jonny 4.00 32b : 100 (+ 93,= 7,- 0), 96.5 %
Deep Sjeng c't 2010 32b : 100 (+ 67,= 25,- 8), 79.5 %
spark-1.0 SSE42 : 100 (+ 77,= 19,- 4), 86.5 %
HIARCS 13.2 MP 32b : 100 (+ 72,= 25,- 3), 84.5 %
Protector 1.4.0 x64 : 100 (+ 77,= 18,- 5), 86.0 %
Strelka 2.0 B : 100 (+ 87,= 12,- 1), 93.0 %
Spike 1.4 32b : 100 (+ 67,= 24,- 9), 79.0 %
Gull 1.2 : 100 (+ 74,= 19,- 7), 83.5 %
Deep Rybka 4.1 SSE42 : 100 (+ 36,= 43,- 21), 57.5 %
Deep Junior 12.5 : 100 (+ 71,= 21,- 8), 81.5 %
Stockfish 2.1.1 JA : 100 (+ 44,= 39,- 17), 63.5 %
Hannibal 1.1 : 100 (+ 73,= 25,- 2), 85.5 %
Umko 1.2 SSE42 : 100 (+ 91,= 7,- 2), 94.5 %
Critter 1.2 : 100 (+ 32,= 45,- 23), 54.5 %
Komodo64 3 SSE42 : 100 (+ 36,= 42,- 22), 57.0 %

One list was produced by playing games and all the hassle. The other with kingliveson's script. Can you tell which one is which without leaving this page? For statistics both are equally useful! What's more, run the script twice, and you get closer to the true elo of the engines, instantly!

The only difference would be the games themselves, but for rating lists that don't provide them, that's not an issue!

You can even run 100 real games in your machine, use them to calculate the weights, put them in the script, run the scrip 9 times, and presto! You have 1000 game results indistinguishable from what you would have gotten if you played 1000 games, with only 1/10 of the effort. Very effective if you're going to keep your games private, because, the numbers are everything, you can get chess out of the way!

And, now, what you've been waiting for, download the Bash Script of the Chess Rating List Simulator:

http://open-chess.org/download/file.php?id=382

Source:

http://open-chess.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1592

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Get your own IPON clone without much effort!
http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=24239

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Why there is no games with the IPON results ?
In my opinion, No Games = Distrust.

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I have no doubt that the IPON list is a genuine one despite the fact that Ingo doesn't make the games available.

Furthermore, the IPON list provides a useful quick rating so that we can all get a rough idea of how strong an engine is.

The only disappointing aspect (apart from no games being available) is that only the strongest engines get tested, but I guess there's only so much that one person can do despite having a nice collection of computers.

Ingo should be given credit where credit is due.

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Victor wrote:
Why there is no games with the IPON results ?
In my opinion, No Games = Distrust.

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I agree 100 % with Graham.

Ingo is well known all over the enginechessworld as a honest engine tester.

Do not mistrust him.

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About IPON,
No Games, No Trust...

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforum/topic_show.pl?tid=25345

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