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I am getting the final prep work done and I'm proud to announce that Season 3 starts on October 4, beginning with 3 qualifying tournaments, and the Commercial engine championship.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f36/16/86/06/19/wsce_c12.png

Tomorrow, I will announce the lineup for the first of 3 qualifying tournaments to the Interzonal.

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Here's the lineup for 1 of 3 Qualifying tournaments.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f36/16/86/06/19/wsce_w10.png

I will keep everyone up to date as much as possible.

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Hi Castle00,

Why are Rybka or Houdini not participating on your commercial tournament?

Just curious.

I'm interested in the zonals.

I was reading about the past editions. Houdini 1.5 won the 1st, who won the 2nd edition, Strelka or Houdini?

I'm looking forward to the 3rd one.

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Thx for doing this Castle00!

Castle is often a strong move wink

Farbror

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Rybka & Houdini is not in the commercial engine competition because of its controversial status (It isn't clear if the engines are original or derivatives). They won't be excluded from the other tournaments.

Alas, Houdini vs Strelka never did materialize for Season 2. You can do a mock 24-game match with a 40/40 time control if you want, but Houdini is expected to win.

I decided at the LAST MOMENT to make the top-rated engines play the first qualifying cycle instead of seeding them directly into the interzonal. Because the 3-month schedule is very tight, I had to make it single round robin instead of a double.

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Tournaments are underway, but I'm not off to a good start.

Minko & Bouquet had problems early, and what's worse is that 5-piece tablebase endings aren't properly set up which means no tablebase adjudication, costing up to 2 hours of time in a single game.

Other than that, I'm ready to post some early results.

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The first qualifier is 20% done.

Naum, Shredder, Spark are in the early lead with 2.5/3 as is Quazar, which beat IvanHoe, and Bouquet which opened with a win over Komodo.

I had to restart the commercial engines tournament because tablebases were not working, which put me behind schedule.. Fortunately, I have a third computer to use, and I will run the Deep Fritz games on there. I should make up more than enough time this way.

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WSCE Season (1, 2, 3, .....)
results? games? anything? wink

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I'll get the results/standings in. (and pgn files too.)

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After 5 of 15 rounds of the 1st Qualifier

4.5 Naum 4.2, Deep Shredder 12
4.0 Bouquet 1.5
3.5 Quazar 0.4, IvanHoe 9.46b, Komodo 5

3.0 MinkoChess 1.3, Spark 1.0
2.5 Scorpio 2.75, Naraku 1.4
2.0 Booot 5.1.0, Spike 1.4 Leiden
1.0 CM 11 Agilos II Pers.
0.5 Chronos 1.9.9
0.0 Loop M1-T, Twisted Logic 20100131x

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After 4 of 13(?) Rounds of the Commercial Engine Championship

3.5 Deep Hiarcs 14
3.0 Deep Sjeng C'T 2010
2.5 Chiron 1.1a

2.0 Komodo 5 (bye), Deep Junior 13.3 (bye)
2.0 SmarThink 1.20, Zappa Mexioc II
1.5 Deep Shredder 12 (bye)
1.5 Deep Fritz 13, CM11 Agilos II, Chess Tiger 2007.1, Naum 4.2
0.5 Deep Onno 1.2.70 (bye)
0.5 Ktulu 9

Unfortunately, this tournament has gone WELL behind schedule, so I may have to end it halfway through. I'm also considering other options to get this tournament to a conclusion.

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http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=45511
lol

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9 of 15 Rounds in the first qualifier.

7.5 Bouquet 1.5, Komodo 5
7.0 Deep Shredder 12, Spark 1.0
6.5 IvanHoe 9.46h
6.0 Quazar 0.4

5.5 Naum 4.2
4.0 MinkoChess 1.3, Naraku 1.4
3.5 Spike 1.4 Leiden
2.5 Booot 5.1.0, Chronos 1.9.9, Scorpio 2.75, CM11 Aiglos II
2.0 Loop M1-T
1.5 Twisted Logic 20100131

ONLY SIX will make it into the next phase of the World Championship cycle.

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7 Rounds complete in the Commercial Engine Championship

4.5 Komodo 5 (Bye)
4.5 Chiron 1.1a, Deep Hiarcs 14

4.0 Deep Sjeng CT 2010 (Bye), Deep Shredder 12 (Bye)
3.5 Deep Junior 13.3 (Bye)
3.0 Naum 4.2 (Bye) Zappa Mexico II (Bye)
3.0 SmarThink 1.20
2.5 Deep Onno 1.2.70 (Bye)
2.0 Deep Fritz 13 (After 6 Games)
2.0 Chess Tiger 2007.1, Ktulu 9
1.5 CM11 Aiglos II

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11 of 15 Rounds of the first qualifier (Top 6 advance)

9.0 Deep Shredder 12
8.5 Komodo 5, Bouquet 1.5
8.0 IvanHoe 9.46h, Spark 1.0
7.5 Naum 4.2

7.0 Quazar 0.4
4.5 Spike 1.4 Leiden, Naraku 1.4
4.0 MinkoChess 1.3, Chronos 1.9.9
3.5 Scorpio 2.75
3.0 Booot 5.10, Twisted Logic 20100131x
2.5 Loop M1-T, CM11 Aiglos II

To note, I may have lost the Chronos-Quazar pgn game. It is recorded in ChessGUI, but not saved on Chessbase. That game was a crushing blow to Quazar's chances for the last transfer spot.



Nearing halfway in the Commercial Engines Championship. Everybody, except Ktulu has had a bye.

9.0 Komodo 5
7.5 Deep Hiarcs 14
7.0 Chiron 1.1a, Deep Shredder 12

6.5 Naum 4.2, Deep Junior 13.3
5.5 Deep Sjeng CT 2010
5.0 Zappa Mexico II
4.5 Deep Onno 1.2.70, SmarThink 1.20
4.0 Chess Tiger 2007.1
3.5 Ktulu (out of 12 games)
1.5 CM11 Aiglos II

These results do not include Deep Fritz 13's games, Currently the engine has 4 points out of 8, and I'm getting the engine caught up.

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In 10 days, I will be running the Knockout Championships, in which 64 of the world's top engines compete in a series of mini-matches, the winner being Last Engine Standing.

I'm also planning something special (maybe controversial, however). I'm planning to have the 10 Best Engines OF THE WORLD, against the 10 best IPPOLIT Derivatives, in a match-format, dubbed IPPOLIT vs. THE WORLD.

PLEASE tell me if this is an interesting idea or not. Your feedback is ***ESSENTIAL***

Leave a reply, a private message, ANYTHING!

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Dude, thanks for what you have done,
and future plans.

Any idea is good and appreciated.

Thanks.

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THE WORLD:

Critter 1.6a
Stockfish 2.3.1
Rybka 4.1
Komodo 5
Hiarcs 14
Naum 4.2
Deep Fritz 13
Chiron 1.5
Deep Shredder 12
Spike 1.4
vs.The 10 best IPPOLIT Derivatives:

Houdini 3
Strelka 5.1
RobboLito 0.21Q
IvanHoe 9.46h
Fire 2.2 xTreme
Vitruvius 1.11C
Bouquet 1.5
Deep Saros 3.1a
Gull II b2
Igorrit 0.86

Just my 2 cents wink

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The latest versions of Houdini, Chiron, DeepSaros won't be used because those updates came after October 1. After that date, no more updating the engines.

Here's what I'm thinking

IPPOLIT Team

Robbolito, IvanHoe, Vitruvius, Strelka, Fire xTreme, DeepSaros, LEOpard, Bouquet, Iggorit, DamirsRybkaKiller.

Gull II b2 is one of the alternatives.

THE WORLD Team

Houdini, Komodo, Critter, Deep Rybka, Stockfish, Chiron, Deep Fritz, Naum, Deep Hiarcs, Deep Shredder

Alternates include Hannibal, Deep Sjeng, Spike, Bison, and Protector.

And "yes" I know how controversial Houdini is. No need to start a war here (until the tournament begins that is)

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Nice idea. Anyway, I think Houdini and Critter should be in the IPPOLIT team.

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@bulldozer wrote:
Nice idea. Anyway, I think Houdini and Critter should be in the IPPOLIT team.

Critter is an original engine and programmed by Richard Vida (one of the most brilliant chess programmers).

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@Martin Zengovski wrote:
@bulldozer wrote:
Nice idea. Anyway, I think Houdini and Critter should be in the IPPOLIT team.

Critter is an original engine and programmed by Richard Vida (one of the most brilliant chess programmers).


I never said he wasn't an excellent programmer. R. Houdart and Vas Rajlich are very good too.

There is not enough proof to demonstrate Critter is an Ippolit/H 1.5a derivative. But there are some evidence pointing this out:

1. Critter's big leap in ELO from version to version. It shared the first places in few time after its release.
2. Similarity test results.
3. Richard admitted he took a look to Houdini 1.5 code via RE.

As I said, it does not prove anything, but still I have some doubts about its originality. Maybe he only used some ideas from those sources, that is not illegal as far as I know. Probably I should say this is my personal opinion. If I am wrong, I apologize.

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@bulldozer wrote:
@Martin Zengovski wrote:
@bulldozer wrote:
Nice idea. Anyway, I think Houdini and Critter should be in the IPPOLIT team.

Critter is an original engine and programmed by Richard Vida (one of the most brilliant chess programmers).


I never said he wasn't an excellent programmer. R. Houdart and Vas Rajlich are very good too.

There is not enough proof to demonstrate Critter is an Ippolit/H 1.5a derivative. But there are some evidence pointing this out:

1. Critter's big leap in ELO from version to version. It shared the first places in few time after its release.
2. Similarity test results.
3. Richard admitted he took a look to Houdini 1.5 code via RE.

As I said, it does not prove anything, but still I have some doubts about its originality. Maybe he only used some ideas from those sources, that is not illegal as far as I know. Probably I should say this is my personal opinion. If I am wrong, I apologize.



Richard already admitted, your code is Ippolitized.

Besides the public code in PASCAL, Download OpenCritter_1.1.37.zip (1,1 MB)
http://sourceforge.net/projects/critterchess/

Richard y Robert,
They are great programmers.
Robert Houdart is a chess player with 2200 ELO FIDE.
Richard Vida admits work and be a great Reverse engines worked.

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PLEASE do not start a war in here. This belongs on other topics in this site.

I have looked at the info and decided where to place the teams.

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@bulldozer wrote:
@Martin Zengovski wrote:
@bulldozer wrote:
Nice idea. Anyway, I think Houdini and Critter should be in the IPPOLIT team.

Critter is an original engine and programmed by Richard Vida (one of the most brilliant chess programmers).


I never said he wasn't an excellent programmer. R. Houdart and Vas Rajlich are very good too.

There is not enough proof to demonstrate Critter is an Ippolit/H 1.5a derivative. But there are some evidence pointing this out:

1. Critter's big leap in ELO from version to version. It shared the first places in few time after its release.
2. Similarity test results.
3. Richard admitted he took a look to Houdini 1.5 code via RE.

As I said, it does not prove anything, but still I have some doubts about its originality. Maybe he only used some ideas from those sources, that is not illegal as far as I know. Probably I should say this is my personal opinion. If I am wrong, I apologize.

+1

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