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All Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes! - The A.R.B Chess

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All Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes! - The A.R.B Chess System



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descriptionAll Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes! - The A.R.B Chess  EmptyPosition 01 (Overextending The Centre PAWNS)

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I will Now Gradually post Stockfish's Move Mistakes Depth of (15 Moves/30 Ply) from the Video above (All Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes! - The A.R.B Chess System)

Stockfish 6 Chess Program Crushed!! - Using The A.R.B Chess System 08-04-2015

Position 01 (Overextending The Centre PAWNS) - The A.R.B Chess System
Move 10. D4 – D5 ?

The Chess Engines Grabb FALSE! Space in the Centre by Overextending their Pawns and Close the Position to the Systems Advantage!

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d6 3. c4 h6 4. e4 a6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be2 b6 7. O-O Bg7 8. Be3
Ne7 9. Qd2 Bb7 10. d5 {(d4-d5 e6-e5 g2-g3 Nb8-d7 a2-a3 Qd8-c8 Nf3-h4 a6-a5
b2-b4 Ne7-g8 Be2-d3 Ng8-f6 h2-h3 h6-h5 Nh4-f3 O-O Kg1-g2 c7-c6 Be3-g5
Qc8-b8 Rf1-c1 c6-c5 b4-b5 Qb8-c8 Rc1-f1 Qc8-c7 Ra1-d1 Ra8-d8 Rf1-e1 Rf8-e8
Bd3-c2) +0.93/30} 0-1

Stockfish 6 (White) (Move 10.d5) Searched to a Depth of (15 Moves/30 Ply)  

With a Score of +0.93 for Stockfish 6 Meaning it thinks it's Winning by about 1 Pawn :)

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I really enjoy your games as well am very interested and entertained by the A.R.B Chess System :)

However being a club chess player for a number of years, I can't seem to figure it how your system (which completely throws modern chess opening theory out the window) beats Stockfish which is specifically programmed to play modern opening theory...even without book

even cutting edge lines and variations if you have a custom opening book in possession...

some books reach 90 plies or greater.

It is quite entertaining! Thanks

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Stuff like this used to work in the time of Eduard Nemeth, 15 years ago, with the machines and software of the time and, even so, he was a recognized 2100 Elo rated chess Player.

[pgn][Event "Blitz30',P600,64Mb"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2000.??.??"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Shredder 5"]
[Black "Nemeth, Eduard"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C70"]
[EventDate "2000.??.??"]

1.e4 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 1...e5 {1s (c5)} 2.Nf3 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00: 00]} 2...Nc6 {1s} 3.Bb5 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 3...a6 {1s} 4.Ba4 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 4...f6 {2s (Sf6)} 5.d4 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 5...d6 {2s} 6.c3 {[%eval 116,12] [%emt 0:01:22]} 6...h5 {21s} 7.Be3 {[%eval 140,11] [%emt 0:02:03]} 7...Bg4 {11s (Sh6)} 8.O-O {[%eval 150,11] [%emt 0:01:12]} 8...Be7 {20s (g6)} 9.d5 {[%eval 168,11] [%emt 0:00:30]} 9...b5 {2s} 10.Bc2 {[%eval 173,12] [%emt 0:00:41]} 10...Na7 {3s (Sa5)} 11.a4 {[%eval 192,11] [%emt 0:00:17]} 11...f5 {52s (Sh6)} 12.h3 {[%eval 213,11] [%emt 0:00:25]} 12...f4 {39s (Lxf3)} 13.Bxa7 {[%eval 213,12] [%emt 0:00:27]} 13...Rxa7 {3s (Lxf3)} 14.hxg4 {[%eval 405,10] [%emt 0:00:04]} 14...hxg4 {2s} 15.Nfd2 {[%eval 406,11] [%emt 0:00:48]} 15...Nh6 {6s (Sf6)} 16.axb5 {[%eval 514, 10] [%emt 0:00:08]} 16...Bf8 {2s (Dc8)} 17.g3 {[%eval 529,9] [%emt 0:00:23]} 17...Qg5 {13s (Da8)} 18.Ba4 {[%eval 530,9] [%emt 0:01:45]} 18...Qh5 {47s (Ke7)} 19.Nf3 {[%eval 275,7] [%emt 0:00:28]} 19...Nf5 {m (Ke7)} 20.Nh4 {[%eval -32755,12] [%emt 0: 03:24]} 20...Nxh4 {7s} 21.bxa6+ {[%eval -32757,12] [%emt 0:00:36]} 21...Ke7 {6s} 22.Re1 {[%eval -32759,13] [%emt 0:00:17]} 22...Nf5 {13s} 23.Kf1 {[%eval -32761,14] [%emt 0:00:09]} 23...f3 {4s} 24.Qxf3 {[%eval -32763,15] [%emt 0:00:34]} 24...gxf3 {3s} 25.exf5 {[%eval -32765,18] [%emt 0:00:10]} 25...Qh1# 0-1
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@Nathanael Russell wrote:
I really enjoy your games as well am very interested and entertained by the A.R.B Chess System :)

However being a club chess player for a number of years, I can't seem to figure it how your system (which completely throws modern chess opening theory out the window) beats Stockfish which is specifically programmed to play modern opening theory...even without book

even cutting edge lines and variations if you have a custom opening book in possession...

some books reach 90 plies or greater.

It is quite entertaining! Thanks



More will be Revealed Nathanael as I go along Thank you :)

descriptionAll Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes! - The A.R.B Chess  EmptyThe ideas for My System came about more than 30+ Years ago

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[quote="xadrez1978"]Stuff like this used to work in the time of Eduard Nemeth, 15 years ago, with the machines and software of the time and, even so, he was a recognized 2100 Elo rated chess Player.

xadrez1978 The ideas for My System came about more than 30+ Years ago after I Noticed how Strong Chess Programs were getting :( and from the Start I had the feeling that it was the PAWNS that were a Problem for Computers! :)

What you Quoted about what Eduard Nemeth played 15 years ago and there have been many others would Not work today with Modern Computers! What I am doing is a bit more Deeper :) and far more Advanced than the Crazy Random lines played using the Hedghog/Hippo Etc.
My System is about Understanding what Modern Computers can do Regarding Sacrificing Pieces to open up lines Etc. which was beyond most Humans before the (3000)+ ELO Engines Arrived!
One Example is that the System Always opens with the First Two Central Pawns for White or Black both moved only 1 Square forward! which may seem OK for most People while playing Black but to do the same for White is seen as Crazy for White to do :) and as far as the Opening Books go unheard of :)

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xadrez1978

I Will get Stockfish 6 to Analyze your Eduard Nemeth Game
You Posted as I am interested as to whether Black can Secure
It's Pawn Structure from Move 12. ?

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What settings/time etc. do have have set on your version of Stockfish engine?

What computer hardware are you using?

How many games would you estimate you have lost, compared to the wins?

What FIDE/ICCF ranking do you have if any?

I am sure that the answers would/could be interesting for the readers of the forum  and give everyone an understanding about the system....should you answer them.

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From My Video (All Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes!) Help Page...

Chess Engines Move Choice Conditions:

Below is a list of  Conditions that Affect a Chess Engines Move Choice...

01 – Computer Hardware (Speed)
02 – Computer Software (Windows/Linux Etc.) Optimal Configuration
03 – Move Time (Each Per Second)
04 – Ponder (On/Off) (Thinking in the Opponents Time)
05 – Engine Evaluation is = (Which will Make the Engine Play from a Random Choice of = Moves)
06 – Move Pruning/Selectivity (Part of How the Engine makes a Choice for it's Best Move)
07 – Other Built in Special Move Conditional Algorithms ?

The Examples from the Game are “What Makes The A.R.B Chess System Work!” which Shows How “All Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes!” and they will make the Same Moves in Much Longer time Controls than the (180) Seconds Per Move... :)

The Important thing that makes “The A.R.B Chess System Work!” is the Long Term PAWN Structure the System Dictates! It Decides how the Game is going to be Played...The Engines make the Fatal Mistake of Grabbing FALSE! Space and allowing the System to Close the Position.
You will See from the Example Positions how the PAWNS are used... there is One Example of each without the Pieces on the Board which Helps! and a Very Important Point! Concerning the Positions is...
If you Reach the Example Positions in a Different way from the Example Game Move Order! (Which is Possible Concerning the ( Chess Engines Move Choice Conditions:) it does Not! Matter :) Even if the Engines Pieces are on different Squares ? to My Game but with a Similar Evaluation Score ? In Most Cases they will Still make the Same Moves! Most of the time the Engines are Shuffling their Pieces Behind the Wall of PAWNS The System has Built because they are Not! Sure how to Continue. :)


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Below is another of Stockfish's Move Lines Which is a Good Example of the (Chess Engines Move Choice Conditions)
and more like the line it chose in the Actual Game...with a better Score for itself!

Position 01 (Overextending The Centre PAWNS) - The A.R.B Chess System
Move 10. D4 – D5 ?

The Chess Engines Grabb FALSE! Space in the Centre by Overextending their Pawns and Close the Position to the Systems Advantage!

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d6 3. c4 h6 4. e4 a6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be2 b6 7. O-O Bg7 8. Be3
Ne7 9. Qd2 Bb7 10. d5 {(d4-d5 e6-e5 b2-b4 Bb7-c8 c4-c5 b6xc5 b4xc5 f7-f5
e4xf5 Ne7xf5 c5-c6 O-O Ra1-b1 a6-a5 Rb1-b5 Nf5xe3 f2xe3 Bc8-a6 Rb5-b1
Qd8-e7 Be2-d3 g6-g5 Qd2-c2 Ba6xd3 Qc2xd3 Nb8-a6 Nc3-e4 Na6-b4 Qd3-c4 g5-g4
Nf3-d2 h6-h5 Rf1xf8+ Ra8xf8) +1.06/30 } 0-1


Stockfish 6 (White) (Move 10.d5) Searched to a Depth of (15 Moves/30 Ply)  

With a Score of +1.06 for Stockfish 6 Meaning it thinks it's Winning by about 1 Pawn :)

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Below is a list of  Conditions that Affect a Chess Engines Move Choice...

01 – Computer Hardware (Speed)
02 – Computer Software (Windows/Linux Etc.) Optimal Configuration
03 – Move Time (Each Per Second)
04 – Ponder (On/Off) (Thinking in the Opponents Time)
05 – Engine Evaluation is = (Which will Make the Engine Play from a Random Choice of = Moves)
06 – Move Pruning/Selectivity (Part of How the Engine makes a Choice for it's Best Move)
07 – Other Built in Special Move Conditional Algorithms ?


None of the above answers my questions and nearly everyone here knows that,  expect yourself,  who is yet again avoiding the issue for some reason.
Could it be because if you were the answer them correctly and honestly it would show that the system is not as good as you want us to believe.  Rather like a small child
with a tennis racket who is batting his ball against a wall with the belief that makes him a world class tennis player.

What settings/time etc. do have have set on your version of Stockfish engine when getting your win?

What computer hardware are you using?

How many games would you estimate you have lost, compared to the wins?

What FIDE/ICCF ranking do you have if any?

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May be a reason why someone was removed from every other chess forum, because he was only interested in seeing his name/pseudonym in the forums
without really having anything worthwhile to contribute to the chess world in general.

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xadrez1978

I was interested in your Eduard Nemeth Game as to whether Black can Secure
It's Pawn Structure from Move 12. ? with a Modern Chess Engine (3300)+ ELO
So I put it to Stockfish 6 and as I thought it Refutes it Immediately!
with a Score of 12. exf5 {+2.63} at the same time Control the game is below...
With Stockfish Playing for White & Black from Move 12.

[Event "Blitz30"]
[Stockfish 6 "Plays White & Black From Move 12. exf5"]
[White "Shredder 5"]
[Black "Nemeth, Eduard"]
[Result "1-0"]

[pgn]1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 f6 5. d4 d6 6. c3 h5 7. Be3 Bg4 8. O-O
Be7 9. d5 b5 10. Bc2 Na7 11. a4 f5 12. exf5 {+2.63} b4 13. cxb4 Nf6
14. h3 Bxf3 15. Qxf3 Qb8 16. b5 axb5 17. Nc3 Kf8 18. a5 b4 19. Ne4 Nxe4
20. Qxe4 Qd8 21. Qxb4 Kf7 22. f4 e4 23. Ba4 Bf6 24. Qxe4 h4 25. Rf2 Qe7
26. Qe6+ Qxe6 27. fxe6+ Ke7 28. Rc1 Rhc8 29. b4 Kf8 30. Rfc2 Bd8 31. Bd4 c5
32. dxc6 Rc7 33. b5 Nxb5 34. Bxb5 Rxa5 35. Rb1 Ra8 36. f5 Bf6 37. Bb6 Bd8
{Black resigns} 0-1
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Below is the Second Position showing Stockfish's Move Mistakes Depth of (15 Moves/30 Ply) from the Video (All Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes! - The A.R.B Chess System) from the Game...

Stockfish 6 Chess Program Crushed!! - Using The A.R.B Chess System 08-04-2015


Position 02 (Overextending The Queenside PAWNS) - Move 13. C5 – C6 ?

The Chess Engines Grabb FALSE! Space on the Queenside by Overextending their Pawns and Close the Position to the Systems Advantage!

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d6 3. c4 h6 4. e4 a6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be2 b6 7. O-O Bg7 8. Be3
Ne7 9. Qd2 Bb7 10. d5 e5 11. b4 Nd7 12. c5 Bc8 13. c6 {(c5-c6 Nd7-f6 Qd2-d1
Nf6-h5 Nf3-e1 Nh5-f4 Be2-c4 O-O f2-f3 f7-f5 a2-a4 g6-g5 Ne1-c2 Qd8-e8
Be3-f2 Qe8-h5 Nc2-e3 Ne7-g6 Ra1-a2 f5xe4 f3xe4 Qh5xd1 Rf1xd1 h6-h5 Ra2-d2
Bg7-f6 Rd1-f1 Bf6-g7 Rd2-b2 h5-h4 Rb2-b1 a6-a5 b4-b5 g5-g4 Rb1-b2 Bg7-f6)
+0.89/30} 0-1


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Below is the Third Position showing Stockfish's Move Mistakes Depth of (15 Moves/30 Ply) from the Video (All Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes! - The A.R.B Chess System) from the Game...

Stockfish 6 Chess Program Crushed!! - Using The A.R.B Chess System 08-04-2015

Position 03 (Closing The Kingside PAWNS) - Move 17. F2-F3 ?

The Chess Engines Close the Kingside by Closing their Pawns to the Systems Advantage!

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d6 3. c4 h6 4. e4 a6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be2 b6 7. O-O Bg7 8. Be3
Ne7 9. Qd2 Bb7 10. d5 e5 11. b4 Nd7 12. c5 Bc8 13. c6 Nf6 14. Qd1 Ng4 15.
Bd2 f5 16. Ne1 Nf6 17. f3 {(f2-f3 g6-g5 Ne1-d3 Ne7-g6 g2-g3 f5-f4 Kg1-h1
O-O a2-a4 a6-a5 b4xa5 Ra8xa5 Nc3-b5 Ra5-a8 Nd3-f2 Bc8-a6 g3-g4 Ng6-h4
Ra1-b1 Qd8-e7 Bd2-c3 Qe7-f7 Kh1-g1 Ba6-c8 h2-h3 h6-h5 Be2-c4 Bc8-a6 Nf2-d3
Ba6xb5 Rb1xb5) +0.90/30} 0-1


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Below is the Fourth & Final Position showing Stockfish's Move Mistakes Depth of (15/14 Moves/30/28 Ply) from the Video (All Chess Engines Make The Same Mistakes! - The A.R.B Chess System) from the Game...

Stockfish 6 Chess Program Crushed!! - Using The A.R.B Chess System 08-04-2015

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Position 04 (Overextending The Queenside PAWNS) - Move 28. B4-B5 ?

The Chess Engines Grabb FALSE! Space on the Queenside by Overextending their Pawns and Close the Position to the Systems Advantage!

1. d4 e6 2. Nf3 d6 3. c4 h6 4. e4 a6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be2 b6 7. O-O Bg7 8. Be3
Ne7 9. Qd2 Bb7 10. d5 e5 11. b4 Nd7 12. c5 Bc8 13. c6 Nf6 14. Qd1 Ng4 15.
Bd2 f5 16. Ne1 Nf6 17. f3 f4 18. Nd3 g5 19. Nf2 h5 20. Be1 Ng6 21. a4 Kf7
22. Rb1 Qg8 23. Rb2 Qh7 24. Nd3 g4 25. Qc1 Bh6 26. Qb1 Bg5 27. Qc2 Qh6 28.
b5 {( b4-b5 a6-a5 Qc2-d1 g4-g3 h2xg3 f4xg3 Be1xg3 h5-h4 Bg3-f2 Ng6-f4 Rf1-e1
Rh8-g8 Rb2-c2 Nf4xd3 Qd1xd3 Bg5-f4 Be2-f1 h4-h3 g2-g4 Bc8xg4 f3xg4 Nf6xg4
Kg1-h1 Ng4xf2+ Rc2xf2 Qh6-h4 Re1-e2 Qh4-g5) +0.07/28} 0-1


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Beginners chess - how to get into the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igPVzVzy6ug

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458 exclaim  Wow I'm guessing that 450 of the hits were from yourself. question

Let's get this point across to you ...no one really cares about this so-called system.  There are MANY examples of people winning the odd game against engines.
In one of the other chess forums (where you are banned) a 10 yr old won a game, but the difference is that they do not feel the need to try to claim that they have found some magic way to beat chess engines.

I've asked this question before, but you never answer the question. How many games do you lose before you get one win. question

A couple of the members here have also told you that for some strange reason their engines never make the same moves that yours does, can you explain that question

Now to sum it up, if you consider yourself such a great player and are able to beat Stockfish (which you consider the best engine in the whole wide world) then I suggest you
challenge Garry Kasparov (start small) to a match, I'm sure he would have much to learn from you.

I suggest you take up fishing or something, because my guess is that as a chess player you probably do not rank very high.. if at all.

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How to play Chess: Beginner Chess Lesson 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW3XHAlOHj4



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Oh did the little man have to move his little post around again.  clap   ..How sad can you get rolleyes

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Beginning Chess: The Piece Moves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b-LkC7Dy4I

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Did a couple more did you clap

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461 YoutTube Hits Show that Chess Engines have to Learn! :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDnJJYqCtHw

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